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Michael June 13, 2009 at 4:15 pm

OK. I’ll bite. Why such a massive mistrust of the Church membership by those responsible for such a restrictive and illogical policy. Both CES and Family Search allow for the use of their logos by righteous Temple Recommend members for miscellaneous local events. Is this one of those unexplained Church Office Building culture things that treats those of us out in the mission field as non-thinking lemmings that must come to them for permission to do anything of our own initiative? Didn’t Nephi write about not sitting around waiting to be acted upon by others?

Michael June 13, 2009 at 4:31 pm

I just realized something funny. As I typed my comment above, I am wearing a T-shirt given to me two years ago by the local stake here in Florida for the Mormon Helping Hands project. It has the official Church logo emblazoned on the front in big typeface. I assume the t-shirts came from welfare services. Are they breaking the policy?

Peter R. June 13, 2009 at 9:09 pm

The LDS Church is probably particularly careful with its logo in order to maintain the trademark. Also, since the Church’s general logo is much more recognizable than CES or other logos, it’s probably a higher priority to maintain exclusive use.

Michael – those t-shirts have been distributed in many parts of the world. I’m relatively certain that the use of the LDS Church logo was approved prior to their production. I got one a few years back when I did work after Hurricane Katrina. Hideously ugly things, I might add. Don’t know who thought teal was a good color.

Jettboy June 14, 2009 at 7:45 am

“The written name of the Church (not the Church logo) may be used by wards, stakes, branches, and districts according to the following guidelines”

I don’t get it. Aren’t these part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? In a way, aren’t these sponsored franchises? I just don’t understand the legality. Wow, and to think of all the hoopla if the LDS Church sued its own self. That would not be good and I don’t think it would actually do that. It reminds me of the advertisement, I think it was Coke, where there was a fake taste test between products of the same company. The one doing the taste test suggested the company sue itself because of some taste differences. Real or not, the company leader’s in the Ad looked very confused. That is how I feel about this post.

Ian M. Cook June 14, 2009 at 8:19 pm

What about those pre-printed programs you can get at the church bookstores with the official logo on them? Are those printed by the church? I can’t find any at the distribution center web site.

Alice June 14, 2009 at 8:44 pm

I think they want to differentiate between *official* items (anything officially authorized by church headquarters), especially publications, and those that are created by members. It makes sense to me.

Allison June 15, 2009 at 7:45 am

Having had much experience with the Church bureaucracy over the years, I do know there is an attitude of paternalism exhibited by those that work there. Many times, they will confuse priesthood authority with their own church employee position and impose strange, unreasonable and disconnected requirements upon local church units. If a local leader is not familiar with this self-reinforcing culture of superiority and how it gets exhibited, they will not be able to recognize official priesthood authority and policy from general bureaucratic rule making for self-preservation.

Inman June 15, 2009 at 7:48 am

Brother Richman,

Perhaps you can provide us with the reasoning behind the logo policy in more detail? Why was such a policy instituted and what purpose does it serve?

Thanks

David June 15, 2009 at 10:17 am

So what you’re telling me is that I was breaking copyright when I used a copy of my missionary tag as a letterhead back when I was a missionary (around the time the new logo came out).

This reminds me of why I dislike most of the ways that IP law is used (“abused” is generally the more accurate term). I’m not complaining so much that the church wants to protect its image, but a policy along the lines of “don’t use the church logo to imply official church sanction of personal, local, or regional activities” would be more reasonable.

Mark D. June 16, 2009 at 8:13 am

There is absolutely nothing *illegal* about a church unit (or an official representative of the Church) using the Church’s logo in this way. It is an internal policy matter.

Copyright / trademark infringement would only come into play if someone was acting outside his ecclesiastical capacity – using it to promote side businesses or other bizarre schemes. That is the sort of thing that one might get conceivably sued over. Otherwise it is simply a matter of internal church policy. If the issue of internal use was serious enough, someone might get released. It would be unheard of, however, for it to ever come to that.

Michael June 16, 2009 at 8:43 am

Mark,

So are you saying the Church is trying to protect itself from all those opportunistic, self-serving, MLM type people in the mountain west that would use the logo for self-promotion and to mix Babylon with Zion?

Mariann June 19, 2009 at 5:07 pm

As a professional writer for a number of companies, these guidelines make perfect sense to me. They are standard guidelines used to protect the name and trademark.

Shane W. June 20, 2009 at 10:12 pm

I would like to create some business cards that have my name, personal numbers, email address, etc, but says I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and have a website URL for http://www.mormon.org. Can I do that?

ldsWebguy June 21, 2009 at 12:20 am

The basic purpose behind this policy is to clearly identify official Church-wide materials and programs. It is hoped this will assist members and others who have sometimes been confused. It will also help the Church to maintain strong legal protection for the Church logo.

ldsWebguy June 21, 2009 at 12:22 am

Shane,
You’re welcomed to identify yourself as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and to direct people to mormon.org. You just shouldn’t use the logo, which would imply that you are an official representative of the Church.

John June 27, 2009 at 7:22 am

This is not something the church cooked up. I’ve belonged to a non-profit organization for about 20 years and sat on the board for a while. By law, you must restrict use of a trademark, service mark, etc. to protect your use of it. If the organization puts no restrictions on it, it will fall into public domain. The company I work for has similar restrictions on its marks even for internal publications. You establish a brand then work to keep it. It seems to me that the church moved to this current logo because control of the old logo was lost (I read that somewhere when the logo changed.)

SingerGuy June 29, 2009 at 4:24 pm

It would also be good to point out that the name of the church is spelled Latter-day, not Latter-Day or Latter Day. Again, it’s part of the copyright. There is only one correct way to spell Latter-day.

I worked in church typesetting many years ago, and this was something they told me on the first day on the job. I see members of the church spell it wrong all the time because they simply don’t know there is a right and a wrong way to do it.

BTW, John is absolutely right in what he says. You have to protect a logo from falling into the public domain. This isn’t about trust of membership, it’s about following the copyright laws to protect the logo.

MorettiDP July 18, 2009 at 9:41 am

Is important you know that in US and Canada Church publishes envelopes, letterheads and other stationary for wards and stakes. In other places of the world this materials is unavailable. A policy to create these materials locally will be interesting to international units.

Jane Dumont July 29, 2009 at 6:13 pm

This site is just what I need to show our members the correct way to spell the Church’s name.

One more point as to why some people spell the name incorrectly – When using all caps – write the name like this:

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

That esy is used a lot and so in mixed letters some folks continue to use the capital D instead of small d .

Jane Dumont July 29, 2009 at 6:17 pm

Sorry about the typo – “That way…” – not esy way.
Maybe the other folks are making typos, too. :)

Chris Aguilar August 4, 2009 at 4:10 pm

If I understand correctly, if I would like to create some cards (business size) as a Bishop of the church, that would be alright. Would that be done by church distribution or a local printer? Additionally, we will be getting door hangers printed for our home teachers that will state, more or less, “From your home teacher in the Bonita 1st ward” Then the logo, “The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. The door hangers are a way to let our numerous less actives/missing sheep know that we are thinking about them if we should find them not home. There will be space allowed for a note on the back.

ldsWebguy August 23, 2009 at 5:54 pm

Chris,

According to the Church policy, you can use the name of the Church, but not the Church logo on the business cards and the door hangers. You could get them printed at a local printer.

Robin September 26, 2009 at 9:47 am

Holy Cow!! thanks for all the info! I was searching for the Church logo to add our ward bulletin when I stumbled across this website. It’s funny, I never think of the legal side of the Church, only the spiritual side. This has been a bit of an eye opener for me!

JonnyB December 12, 2009 at 9:57 am

What is the ruling on using rubber stamps with church logo to signify the Bishop has sactioned/authorised or signed a reference in behalf of a member of his congregation to a government department, an employer etc whilst acting in his position as bishop.

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